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https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/12/15/grand-county-covid-deaths/

“Grand County Coroner Raises Concern On Deaths Among COVID Cases

By Danielle Chavira

December 15, 2020 at 8:28 pm

KREMMLING, Colo. (CBS4) – Grand County isn’t the first to report a data discrepancy with COVID-19 deaths, but following a murder-suicide in the region the coroner is talking about the impact it may have.

“These two people had tested positive for COVID, but that’s not what killed them. The gunshot wound killed them and it’s very misleading for you to put numbers out there saying these people died from COVID when that’s not what they died from,” said Coroner Brenda Bock.

Bock said her investigation wasn’t finalized when the State of Colorado listed the two victims as dying with COVID-19.

“I realize yes, you’re trying to keep count of the numbers, but you need to do it right, and these people did not die of COVID, they died of gunshot wounds and that’s how it needs to be listed,” she said.

The state classifies COVID deaths in two ways:

·       Deaths caused by COVID-19:

·       The vital records death data is based on CDC coding of death certificates, and it reflects the number of deaths due to COVID-19, based on the expert judgment of health care providers and coroners.

·       The number comes from death certificates where COVID-19 is listed as the cause of death or a significant condition contributing to death.

·       This number is determined by the CDC and is updated daily for dates through the previous Saturday.

·       Deaths among people who died with COVID-19:

·       The epidemiological death data reflects people who died with COVID-19, but COVID-19 may not have been the cause of death listed on the death certificate. It comes from two sources:

·       From health care providers and laboratories that report cases to the state using a national case definition.

·       From state-reviewed death certificates where COVID-19 is listed as the cause of death or a significant condition contributing to death. These death certificates may not yet have been coded by the CDC.

·       This information is required by the CDC and is crucial for public health surveillance, as it provides more information about disease transmission and can help identify risk factors among all deaths across populations.

The state’s website states, “The number of deaths due to COVID-19 are not necessarily included in the number of deaths among people with COVID-19. After review, at either the state or national level, some deaths may not be counted as COVID-19 deaths. This is rare, and the expectation is that in the end the numbers will closely align.” [sic]

The state will often collect data before the death certificates are signed, because that process can take weeks. This gives epidemiologists a faster and better picture of how serious the spread is and how it’s impacting the general population.

“Today, Colorado’s reporting 4,156 COVID deaths, these are actually deaths among cases. Then they show 3,230 deaths due to COVID, and so they’re differentiating that, but I think it can maybe go a little further and I think the policy could be changed,” said Richard Cimino, Grand County Commissioner for District 1.

Cimino says while the state is doing a decent job at making a discrepancy, he agrees with Bock. It could be done better, and while the death count won’t impact where Grand County sits on the states dial, for a rural community, just one death from COVID impacts public perception.

“If they could let the coroners weigh in and take a little bit of time and make that determination early on you won’t have those big swings in numbers that might really alarm our population.”

Currently, the state has five deaths from COVID-19 listed in Grand County, while the Grand County website shows one.

Bock says she reached out to other coroners across the state with questions, “And I got replies back from 80% of the coroners in the state all stating the same thing. They’ve all had the same problems, and these are in small counties, so it’s easy for us to keep track of our numbers.”

She said she reached out to the state asking for the recent deaths to be discounted from the COVID-19 death toll, but hasn’t heard back. She hopes other counties speak up and help influence change in the way deaths are counted.

“I can’t do it alone they need to step up to the plate, too, they need to back me on this; they need to fix the way that they’re reporting the numbers,” she said.

CBS4 reached out to the CDPHE for comment, and was directed to classification information on its website. More information can be found here: cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm#understanding-the-numbers.”

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zarembka
zarembka
11 months ago

The New York Times had an article about two weeks ago that so far, "at least 356,000 more people in the United States have died than usual since the coronavirus pandemic took hold", but not all linked to Covid-19. The Times is basically arguing an under-count, even with such misrepresentations as in Colorado as presented in this article. I presume the article includes people who did not have Covid-19 but whose medical care became reduced due to shortage of medical attention and suffering to the point of dying.

I myself would like to read an objective analysis of 'excess deaths' to get closer to the truth. Excess deaths are attempted here: https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid. For example, if there is an over-count due to Covid-19 (not an under-count), then the excess deaths might be charged against the medical care as a whole in the United States.

Anonymous
Anonymous
11 months ago

And some deaths that are caused by COVID-19 are listed as a different cause of death. A family member with no previous heart issue died from heart failure after “recovering”:from COVID-19. The virus caused a rapid resting heart rate that continued after he supposedly recovered. His heart was weakened and eventually gave out. Cause of death is heart failure but he would not have had heart failure if he wouldn’t have been infected with Covid-19. COVID-19 should be listed as the cause of death.

Meryl Nass, M.D.
Meryl Nass, M.D.
11 months ago

I agree that a death due to myocardial damage from Covid is a Covid death.
What you may not have understood is that even if the local doctor states the cause of death is heart failure or myocarditis, if covid is listed anywhere on the death certificate as having any relationship at all to the death, CDC *recodes* that death as a death due to Covid.

That is why gunshot wound deaths are being coded as Covid deaths, because weeks earlier the person tested positive.

KRolson
KRolson
11 months ago

A good article on Zerohedge today.

"The Great 2020 Seasonal Flu/Influenza Disappearing Act"
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/great-2020-seasonal-fluinfluenza-disappearing-act

One of the charts used in the article that says it all is at
https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/bfmB053.jpg

KRolson
KRolson
10 months ago

Worth noting what the President thinks of the bogus death toll numbers being put out.

In a tweet today he states:

"The number of cases and deaths of the China Virus is far exaggerated in the United States because of @CDCgov’s ridiculous method of determination compared to other countries, many of whom report, purposely, very inaccurately and low. “When in doubt, call it Covid.” Fake News!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1345720107255926784

John F. McGowan, Ph.D.
John F. McGowan, Ph.D.
10 months ago

This may be of interest:

http://wordpress.jmcgowan.com/wp/are-covid-death-numbers-comparing-apples-and-oranges/

This article argues that the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC)’s April 2020 guidance for filling out death certificates for possible COVID-19 related deaths strongly encourages, if not requires, assigning COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death (UCOD) in any death where COVID-19 or the SARS-COV-2 virus may be present, which appears to differ from common historical practice for pneumonia and influenza deaths where pneumonia was frequently treated as a “complication,” a cause of death but not the underlying cause of death.

This means the number of COVID deaths should be compared to a count of death certificates where pneumonia and influenza were listed as a cause of death or even a lesser contributing factor, a historical number which appears to have been at least 188,000 per year based on the CDC FluView web site. The proper comparison number may be even larger if deaths that historically were listed as heart attacks, cancer or other causes than pneumonia or influenza are also being reassigned due to the April 2020 guidance.

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